In 1960, after a year off, he was accepted to the Free Methodist Churchs Los Angeles Pacific College, where in his senior year he observed two games of football, going on field once for one play (see 1962 yearbook statistics). Opinion Page Brooks and David Bumgardner MacArthur denied the charge, as attested on two tapes recorded in 1989 when he was asked to reason together with the IFCA man.[35], MacArthur advocates Young Earth creationism in his book The Battle For the Beginning (2001), and in his sermons. What talent, what ability, what fantastic communication skills, what self-belief, what a tragedy! However, Chandler did choose to turn a blind eye to the unbiblical teaching and behaviour of Mark Driscoll, as did Piper and Keller. Your comment about owning churches is actually ban on the mark. Furtick preaches a different gospel. And it is culturally not relevant to us at all! (What a great sales pitch why dont you try it next time David I will even make the trip to Dundee to hear you). Whether this ministry attracted 2 or 2 million is irrelevant the ministry is identified simply by its content as false and shunned. Since then I have occasionally listened to a sermon, read articles and heard news programes, and watched as this Southern Baptist church has grown to a reported 20,000 plus. I hear the anti christ will also be a great orator and just as charismatic. "[18], MacArthur is a cessationist, holding that the "sign gifts" (such as prophecy) described in the Bible were temporarily granted to the apostles to authenticate the origin and truth of the scriptures, and that at the close of the Apostolic Age these gifts had served their purpose and ceased to be granted. One of the victims (Eileen Gray) in particular was shamed publically in front of the congregation by MacArthur for divorcing a David Gray who later was convicted of aggravated child molestation, corporal injury to a child, and child abuse. (Screenshot credit: Julie Roys/YouTube), Error: There was an internal error submitting your form. And if the thousands of baptisms represent thousands of people coming to Christ, how could one not rejoice? It was neither juicy nor gossip. In 2019, at the Truth Matters Conference, during another word association questionnaire, MacArthur was given the prompt "Beth Moore". And it's thewe call it the Shepherd's Testament; it has a little shepherd's rod on the front. There is no legalism or self-righteous pride in anything I said. L.A. County has reportedly spent nearly $1 million in attorneys fees and other costs since the legal battle with Grace Community Church began. This following sermon was full of what can only be called psychobabble. | Screenshot: YouTube/Grace to You Prominent pastor and theologian John MacArthur has come under fire after a video resurfaced of him taking issue with the idea of "religious freedom," with some Christian speakers debating whether his comments were taken out of context. [25], MacArthur has stated that he opposes both "male chauvinist and feminist views. As he walked across the stage July 26 to the large, wooden pulpit, the auditorium that seats 3,500 people was filled with non-masked, non-socially distanced conservative . I was somewhat alarmed by the endorsement of Matt Chandler as a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived.. I think it is a good thing that a church grows within a decade from a hundred to 20,000 people and I would love that to happen in Dundee, or Edinburgh. Sorry David, we must be talking about different books. You then go to the other extreme and say that I am lumping every mega church together. Quotes displayed in real-time or delayed by at least 15 minutes. 2023 FOX News Network, LLC. Use the Church Finder to locate churches with TMS alumni around the world. He argues that "the battle for the beginning is ultimately a battle between two mutually exclusive faiths faith in Scripture versus faith in anti-theistic hypotheses. You state, Name calling really doesnt constitute argument does it? and yet you have no problem with calling me dishonest. It never occurs to me for a second to not fulfill it. He is a ministry collaborator with . I'm a bank robber. http://thewartburgwatch.com/?s=Matt+chandler&x=0&y=0 On February 9, 1969, he was hired as the third and youngest pastor at the nondenominational Grace Community Church of Sun Valley, California. "[7][8] MacArthur followed in his father's footsteps to enroll at the fundamentalist Bob Jones College from 1957 to 1959. Radio Scotland Abortion Debate Edited Highlights, https://theweeflea.com/2020/04/22/return-to-elevation/), https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3BN1lStbIw, http://thewartburgwatch.com/?s=Matt+chandler&x=0&y=0, http://www.amazon.co.uk/New-Calvinists-ES-Williams/dp/1908919329/, https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=vvjMUrPUfC4&app=desktop, https://mrayton.wordpress.com/tag/john-macarthur/, Elevation Church The Good, The Bad and the Ugly, Most Read Wee Flea Articles in 2017 THE BLOG OF DAVID ROBERTSON. I will always call that out, and I refuse to be intimidated or bullied by those who just cry foul or moan about not being nice. The preacher's admission came amid news that Grace Community Church in Sun Valley received an $800,000 settlement from Los Angeles County after defying pandemic-induced health orders. Im sure with a church of such a size these issues are found amongst some, and appropriate discipline and loving correction are needed. End of Discussion. And they aint all wrong. David, you use your blog to write some really encouraging and courageous articles for which Im very grateful. The incident referred to was a very serious matter and Christian publications in th USA documented the churchs mishandling of it, which was why I had urged caution. The reality is that you have a bunch of people who want pastors to be poor while they make fortunes off of fake news. He is currently the chancellor emeritus of The Master's University in . Someone made a sermon jam of it which I posted on my FB page and all of us, who were not of a charismatic background, really had no idea what he was saying. Its just name calling which again results in self-justification and does not really contribute to any discussion. He concludes that he is far from the principles of the reformed faith in many ways and explains why he thinks that. But like John Flavel I regard as a pretty close second the threat of disunity in the body of Christ not least that caused by those who go around unjustly and wrongly accusing others of false teaching. What is there to apologise for? John MacArthur and the folks from Grace to You (GTY) have done the body of Christ a great service by continually warning Christianity against the growing dangers within the Charismatic movement. What am I gonna do? Also available on most smart TVs and streaming services. And this from a Scottish leader of an American megachurch wonderful stuff again , Pastor, Writer, Debater, Blogger, Scot, Dundonian, married to Annabel.with three grown up children and two grandchildren.View all posts by theweeflea. Opinion Preston Clegg. . You can either keep silent, go of to somewhere else who will accept your gossip, or repent.obviously I would prefer the latter! The church that is spending $130 million on redoing its downtown campus? I have nothing to be jealous of as regards Furtick. You accuse them of ad hominem remarks while making ad hominem remarks about them: you accuse them of defamation but feel at liberty to defame them. John MacArthur, senior pastor of Grace Community Church in Los Angeles and founder of his ministry Grace to You, was one of the reported 4,000 pastors who preached last Sunday against. 38, 31-32). More a worry that this kind of thing will take deeper root here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=vvjMUrPUfC4&app=desktop. Chandler, a Reformed evangelical pastor, spoke as a guest speaker at Elevation last Friday, the third night of the Code Orange Revival. Because your worth it! LOL! (Note the attempted injection of humour!). - John MacArthur", "John F. MacArthur - The Master's Seminary", "MacArthur Appointed Baptist College Gets New President, Name", http://www.bing.com/search?q=When+was+the+MacArthur+New+Testament+Commentary+Series+completed%3F&go=%E3%82%AF%E3%82%A8%E3%83%AA%E9%80%81%E4%BF%A1&qs=bs&form=QBRE, "The Modern Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit", "Reexamining the Eternal Sonship of Christ", "The Loving Husband: A Portrait of Christ", "Can Women Exercise Authority in the Church? A point you also mentioned. . But anyone who writes on my blog and brings such serious accusations is going to have to provide evidence, and you will be challenged. G White this is the mega church you are setting up as an example in opposition to Matt Chandler? Im not sure though why I should apologise for my Amazon remarks? So it would be a bit premature to throw them on a bonfire another example of your sly prose which was unwarranted. Yes, some of it is biblical and Furtick is a good communicator, amusing, connected etc.but a great deal appears to pay only passing lip service to the Bible. Join Transformation church Sunday service at 11AM with Michael Todd, Live Stream (April-24-2022). John Fullerton MacArthur Jr. (born June 19, 1939) is an American Protestant pastor and author known for his internationally syndicated Christian teaching radio and television program Grace to You. [51] They have four children, fifteen grandchildren, and had two great-grandsons by 2017. I made no comment on how Matt Chandler lives as a Christian. I know the drill. Im afraid that you are talking about something you do not really know about and picking on one particular church why? Some might expect be to be critical of the entertainment Hillsong style worship and the whole professional stage go that goes along with it. For you to say that I did makes you guilty of the thing you wrongly accuse me of and it is quite reprehensible. "[37], MacArthur is an outspoken critic of same-sex marriage, the ordination of women, the Roman Catholic Church, and the social justice movement. The screenshot below is from page 4 of Elevation Church's helpful Spontaneous Baptism How To Guide. Powered and implemented by FactSet Digital Solutions. Given that is neither what I wrote, nor what I think. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. Timothy Nerozzi is a writer for Fox News Digital. [4], The grandson of Canadian Anglican minister Harry MacArthur (died 1950) and son of Baptist radio preacher Jack MacArthur (born in Calgary, Canada)[5] and Irene Dockendorf, MacArthur was born in Los Angeles. Chandler only eventually took action as the wheels were about to fall off the Mars Hill bus and, sadly, only when great damage had already been done to the body of Christ. The truth is whether it is a mega church pastor in the US, or a small church pastor in Scotland, it is not OUR church, it is HIS. He states, "You must receive Jesus Christ for who He is, both Lord and Savior, to be truly saved (2 Peter 2:20). Im afraid that the influence of the US mega churches such as Elevation is felt throughout the world. We even had the background high pitched sentimental organ music towards the end as he told the (with a tear in his eye) the sad story of his dad, especially when he turned up to hear his son preach for 24 hours to mark the publication of his latest book. 2023 The Christian Broadcasting Network, Inc., A nonprofit 501 (c)(3) Charitable Organization. You Wouldnt Be Dashing Him And Family And God House Stop being jealous Stop Counting The Heads In The Church And Start Counting Youre Blessing We Still Have A universe To Stand On And spreading the message good God And Getting People Ready For Whats About To Come..Btw Are You Ready For When God Comes? (2Tim. I dont do stock answers. So for me this is not about petty jealousies, nor anti-Americanisms, nor cheap shots at other peoples foibles in order to make me feel better. Their influence has been growing and recently . He has to answer to God of where is heart is and how he gets or gives the money he has. [13] In 1985, MacArthur was made President of Los Angeles Baptist College, now The Master's University, a four-year Christian liberal-arts college. Elevation Church were accused of getting volunteers to come forward during the spontaneous baptism services, in order to encourage others to get up out of their seats. [15], Nearly 43 years after beginning in the pulpit of Grace Community, MacArthur completed one of his own life goals,[2] that of preaching through the entire New Testament on June 5, 2011. ", Grace Community Church parishioners make their way to Sunday service in Sun Valley on Sept. 13, 2020. He picked out three words from Joshua 10, 12 (Sun stand still) and turned them into a doctrine, and he peppered his performance with occasional biblical quotes to back it up. How easily the lure of money and outward success can lead a good man astray, and sadly take with him many people. Would you add John Piper, Tim Keller and Alaister Begg to your bonfire? That is just nuts. False teachers and those who allow the Word of God to be compromised are like a cancer in the church; some who preach flat out heresy are like the aggressive cancer and are easy to spot quickly but others who compromise a bit here and turn a blind eye there are akin to the slow growing tumour thats often not picked up until great damage is done. It can only harm true Gospel work, and promote worldliness in the churches. And if you want classic legalism try this Truly converted young believers have an inborn instinct to turn away from their previous worldly music and dress styles. I can write the e-mails. The digressive discussion of church trappings in some ways diminishes the toxic nature of this actual ministry content its danger isnt in size or wealth or me focus, it is in the false gospel it promotes he is not qualified to preach. MacArthur, 83, was preaching Sunday service earlier this week when he. As a southern Christian (in North Carolina), Im truly thankful you posted one of Alistair Beggs videos to show the contrast between Truth presented with integrity and intellegence, and the slick mass market Charlotte speed preaching thats become hip with mega church crowds. David, you try very hard to always get the last word and I knew that the question you asked was loaded. lq mk Pastor / Teacher. Required fields are marked *. Hardly the same as Furticks message! Surely there are members in the congregations of the mega churches who intend to be sincere, and big doesnt have to be bad. Stephen Furtick is his own brand and it seems it is a brand that sells well and pays well. It happens. Have mercy! Now of course the labourer is worthy of his hire, and it is not a sin to be rich. Im afraid your post is a classic example of taking a bible verse out of context and using it, whether ignorantly or deliberately to defend sin. . Are you happy with its $130 million campus rebuilding campaign? And also trying to get to know what God says in His Word and please stop shouting at those you know nothing about. Despite concern from church members, Grace Community Church has assured the public that MacArthur is recovering and doing better. That is grotesque manipulation and a parody of the Gospel. John MacArthur is the pastor of Grace Community Church in SunValley, California, a neighborhood in Los Angeles. You are aware of them as you demonstrated when writing about Mr Furtick. PS Im a huge Chandler fan over here. The preachers admission came amid news that Grace Community Church in Sun Valleyreceived an $800,000 settlement from Los Angeles County after defying pandemic-induced health orders. It is also grossly unfair (and dishonest) for you to misrepresent my position as making some pastors untouchable. They make their workers and volunteers sign a confidentiality arrangement that they will not disclose anything about the finances of the church, or they will be sued. He has remarked that "[t]he Charismatic movement has stolen the Holy Spirit and created a golden calf, and they're dancing around the golden calf as if it were the Holy Spirit. Despite the considerable influence that they all had, they chose instead to publically endorse him. Submitted by escamp on August 31, 2015 - 3:04pm. If we believe that the message in our books is from God, and we feel it so strongly, then we dont really need to promote it, do we? All rights reserved. Because he is a pastor? 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